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Originally posted by UppityNegress:
I'm not sure I understand you, Empty: are you saying there are no wages in communism? Also, you say "you aren't talking about communism, you're talking state socialism", but then go on to call Scandinavia a socialistic state.


Communism, at least in it's original definition, is not state socialism. The original definition of communism (the one I was working with) is a stateless society with collective ownership and decision making. Communism is also supposed to be a postmonetary society, money doesn't exist in a communist society. Clearly, that hasn't occurred and was certainly not what was going on in the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union had what is called "state socialism" (a state goverment attempting to enact socialist measures).

There is an ideological split between Marxist socialists and Anarchist socialists. Marxists believe that socialism is a stage between capitalism and communism in which the goverment (consisting of the workers and running through direct democratic processes) guides the economy and society into a communist society. Anarchist socialists believe this stage is unneccessary and believe that government is inherently an exploitative class of management that takes money away from the workers. Anarchist socialists believe that a communist society can be evolved into without the aid of government; they believe a socialist society can run on direct democratic councils and decentralized networking.

Now when you talk about "wages in communism", I assume that you think I mean "communism" as in what the Soviet Union and China had. Many socialists then and to this day criticize it more as state capitalism than socialism. Instead of having a capital-owning class of managers owning labor like in a capitalist society, it was a government class owning industry and handing out wages according to what it said you needed.

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Perhaps we are just working from different beginnings. Can you please plainly state what your definition of socialism is,a nd then what your definition of communism is.


I just did above. Smile

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Exactly what is it you're supporting? Communism, socialism? Something else?


I'm a Pan-Africanist anarcho-socialist/syndicalist. But I have many Marxist leanings also. I support decentralized socialism.
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