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Hello WhatzGoingOn,

"Until people are ready for some radical changes to occur, things will continue to be status quo with the black community. Some of our "leaders" and the older people out there who saw how bad it used to be are satisfied in how slowly things are moving. They believe the formula of the 60's is still viable. It's not, and the younger generation is suffering because our leaders are scared to move forward less then lose their place a the end of the line.

It's time to change the strategy folks. It ain't working no more." by whatzgoingon

With the exception of me, and a limited few, you are speaking the truth, and these very serious issues should be of importance to anyone who's interest is to improve the quality of life in the Black community.

Kevin41, is definitely pompous, and your message continues to elude him. This is strongly evidenced by his habit of comparing the shortcomings of a Caucasian community, with that of any Black community, to which in any event the Caucasian community, is not facing extinction, like that of Black America.

If I were you, I would not waste any more effort, or valuable time with the likes of Kevin41.

You are one of a few of a few people on this message board who has anything worthwhile to say, which truly relates to issues that should be of concern to Black people.

One of several examples to prove that the incompetence of Black people more so than any wrongdoing on the part of Caucasian America, make an already bleak picture even bleaker!

"Board Affirms Decision; King/Drew Training of Surgeons to Halt June 30

By Charles Ornstein and Tracy Weber

Times Staff Writers

October 11, 2003

An accreditation council on Friday upheld its decision to strip Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center of its ability to train aspiring surgeons, throwing into doubt the hospital's ability to function as a trauma center.

The Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education ordered the program to close as of June 30, quashing the hopes of doctors and administrators who had pleaded for a reconsideration.

Outside experts said the decision "” which is final "” will have a devastating effect on the hospital in Willowbrook, just south of Watts, and the largely poor, minority population it serves.

It is "almost inconceivable" for a busy urban hospital to lose its ability to train surgeons, said Dr. Paul Lin, surgery program director at George Washington University Hospital in Washington, D.C.

"It's a major blow, without question," said Dr. Jeffrey H. Peters, surgery program director at Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center. "It would be a rare trauma program that functions without a residency."

King/Drew's trauma center treats nearly one-quarter of the county's gunshot and stabbing victims and 11% of those involved in car accidents, assaults and other life-threatening injuries.

Surgery residents reacted with anger, saying that about 30 of them will be forced to find other hospitals where they can complete their five-year curriculum.

"We are shocked and we are in utter disbelief," said resident Dr. Almaas Shaikh, making a statement on behalf of her colleagues. "It is an abysmal display of the failure of leadership and lack of accountability that have allowed these circumstances to occur."

On Friday, the union representing the residents condemned officials at the hospital and Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, which runs the 18 training programs at King/Drew. The union accused them of underestimating the threat to the program's future, leaving residents to believe their positions were secure.

"Either they didn't get how serious it was or they were deliberately distorting how serious it was," said Josh Rutkoff, area director for the Joint Council of Interns and Residents. "I'm not sure which is worse."

Surgery isn't the only doomed training program at King/Drew. Last fall, the accreditation board revoked approval for the hospital's radiology residency program, a decision that also will take effect June 30. That means the county also has to find placements at other facilities for 14 radiology residents.

The accreditation council first indicated it would summarily withdraw approval for the surgery program in August. The immediate reason cited was that the program was training more residents than it was allowed.

But the surgery residency already was on probation because the council previously had found that trainees were not provided enough surgical experience, faculty research was inadequate and the curriculum did not follow recommended guidelines.

The hospital asked the council to reconsider the revocation, but on Friday the council upheld the withdrawal.

Dr. Thomas Garthwaite, director of the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services, which owns the hospital, agreed that "there are multiple failures at various levels." He called the accrediting council's decision "disappointing, but not unexpected."

King/Drew cannot apply to start a new surgery residency at the hospital because its overall graduate medical education program received an unfavorable rating by the accrediting council in 2000. The hospital had another review last month and is awaiting the results.

If it receives a favorable rating, it plans to seek approval for a new surgery program, said Walter Strong, vice president of university affairs at the Drew school. That process could take months.

Without the surgery residents, experts said, the county probably will have to spend much more money to hire more skilled surgeons from outside to take over at the 233-bed hospital.

Residents, typically recent medical school graduates being trained in specialties, earn less than $45,000 a year because they are still being trained, whereas more senior doctors can cost the county $100,000 to $150,000 each.

Even with a substantial budget increase, it will be difficult for King/Drew to recruit enough surgeons willing to cover trauma shifts 24 hours a day, seven days a week, said Dr. Bruce Stabile, chairman of the surgery department at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center.

He said it's a "huge concern" that the loss of King/Drew's surgery program will end up overwhelming surrounding hospitals, including Harbor-UCLA.

Garthwaite said he thought the hospital's existing surgeons could handle many of the operations now performed by residents.

"What we're paying the surgeon to stand and look over and supervise the resident, it won't cost any more for them to perform the surgery," he said.

But Garthwaite acknowledged that doctors might balk at the added tasks.

County Supervisor Yvonne Brathwaite Burke, whose district includes the hospital, said she had hoped the surgery program would get another chance.

Officials moved quickly to replace the facility's leadership and correct problems identified by the accrediting council, she said. "I'm very disappointed," she added."

Discussing the criminal wrongdoing of a Rush Limbaugh, Hugh Grant, Marv Albert, Michael Milken, Tommy Lee, etc., will not improve the quality of life, relating to Black America. Heck, these individuals are far removed from the community of Black America.

"None of that matters because white privilege is a fact of life in America, and the white man's rights must always be respected--even when he's wrong."

It is a given that white privilege exists. It is a given that Korean privilege exists. It is a given that Hispanic privilege exists. Plain and simple, every ethnic group seeks to protect their own first and foremost, the exception being Black people. White privilege is not causing the death of countless Black people, because Black People are the primary perpetrators! Substandard educational facilities within our community is not the fault of Caucasians, but rather those in positions of leadership who choose not to serve our community. Martin Luther King, A.K.A. "Butcher King County Hospital", A.K.A. "Killer King Hospital", is not being shut down because of Caucasian privilege, but rather blatant improprieties perpetrated by Black people in positions of authority. Because of the incompetence of our own doctors, administrators, etc., Caucasian doctors will be called in to raise the quality of performance at "Killer King". Can't say that Black people have not been given the opportunity to run the hospital, because they have.

In this instance Caucasians are not being summoned to the rescue because of privilege, but rather because of the blatant incompetence, and/or very substandard performance of Black doctors, administrators, nurses, etc. Mind you, these individuals failed not only themselves, but the entire community.

"It's time to change the strategy folks. It ain't working no more." by WhatzGoingOn

Very true, because should anyone show competency in what they do, the quality of work, and/or performance will speak for itself. Heck, there would be no point in summoning any outsider, to make the necessary reforms had Black America' own doctors, administrators, nurses, etc., done their jobs, as opposed to shirking their responsibilities.

If you are highly competent, you can keep Caucasians, and/or anyone else in check, as opposed to being placed in check, due to your own incompetence. There in no substitute for competency. Should Black people expect earned privileges on the level of Caucasians, Hispanics, Jews, Koreans, etc., then Black people must raise their level of competency.

This being said it would not matter as to what anyone thinks of you, because in the final analysis, being the best that you can be, is what counts,....not drama, not making excuses as to why not, not privilege, and definitely not playing the blame Caucasian America, and/or others, when Black people must also be held accountable!


Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on October 11, 2003 at 09:05 PM.]