Originally posted by Nmaginate:
In any sport (where has your football analogy went?) TEAMMATES are not assessed by that measure in terms of one being chosen over the other. They are acknowledge and equally accepted for their roles, however different they may be.
BULLSHIT. In sports, achievement is sliced and diced in multiplicative fashion with every aspect of performance charted, tracked, and monitored. Please.
Perhaps I've slipped into Russian in this thread. I apologize. That probably accounts for the dissonance between us. About 30 times I have said that I am not choosing anything. You yourself have acknowledged a difference in perception between the two men. Shit, they are two separate people. How could they be perceived in exactly equal ways? I'm sorry you can't entertain the question seeking to analyze the source of those differences.
Without regard to the precise contributions of both men, they each participated in the same arena. Who cares about all of the bullshit you raise to obfuscate and confuse? WHATEVER . . .
I have never said or suggested they were not on the same team nor have I made a fallacious, false positive argument that one is greater than the other. They both have/had their roles. That's how I see it. That's why I feel no need to choose.
Are you hallucinating? Who asked you to choose? Who accused you of anything? Are you just feeling guilty or something? Why can't you get this?
You yourself said that if pressed you would choose MX. Again, for the umpteenth time, the purpose of this thread is to explore the basis of that preference. Period! NOT to question or challenge it or to place any value judgment on it whatsoever. What is so difficult about that? Why does that stress you so?
After all that you still never defined anything.
You know, I think you really do hate to debate issues, you just LOVE the intellectual masturbation of semantics. You don't want to get anywhere with issues, you just want to wrap people in your web of confusion. Whatever Nmag! Go on with your rants.
How am I to know exactly what the "generally accepted uses" are to you? We've already quarrled over the generally accepted yet mischaracterized conception or reduction of MX's beliefs to simple "violence"...
See above -
BTW - YOU suggested MX's approach was violent. I said "militant". Semantic Man - should we take a few pages here to debate, compare, contrast, and discuss the etymology of those words?
ON terrorism... Which item you offered best depicts the American terrorism that was being fought in MLK's Era? Where we held hostage or trying to deter future terrorism?
Who cares? What does this have to do with this topic? If you'd like to open a new thread with that as the discussion topic, please do.
HINT: I would characterize MLK as the "hostage" negoiation, I guess. The issue I take is that it did not "deter" future terrorism in terms of what we continue to deal with today... (do I need to elaborate)
But how can we expect to proceed if we've not using established and precise definitions of all of the words used to create a premise or to argue it? Please!
To the point though, so what? What did Malcolm's approach accomplish vis-a-vis today? Could you compare and contrast the contributions of MX and MLK to current black America? Oh, sorry, I've already asked you that a few times already. You must just be thinking about your answer right? Or maybe you're just going through your Webster's to make sure that your definitions are precise!
I only wanted to focus on the terms (and really was giving you a hint...) because it is a major ASSUMPTION to believe that there was a generally accepted idea or definition as to what BLACK LIBERATION... hmmm... FREEDOM & EQUALITY meant to either of them.
Whatever . . . Answer the question about their relative contributions to current black America.
And what about the King quote? Is this an avoidance on your part or what? What did he mean?
Who cares? I'm not interested in your 'side trip' debating meaning and nuance. Start your own thread regarding that topic.
that is less than the one you are capable of living. - Mandela