quote:Originally posted by MBM:quote:Originally posted by Noah The African:
There are two willing participants being matched up. You have businesses looking for cheap labor and you have illegal immigrants coming here to do it. You would think that if things were so bad that they would be calling back to Mexico telling the people they not to come here and face this abuse...but the fact that they keep coming tells me the opposite.
The fact that working under crazy conditions and getting paid peanuts is better than things in Mexcio does not erase the fact that they are being exploited and in many cases abused. Either we believe in U.S. law and in general standards of how people should be treated in the world or we don't. Maybe we shouldn't care about people working in sweatshops. Screw it - it gets me cheaper clothes right?
quote:Another thing is that black people in Latin America are still second class citizens. I can't help but to believe that if we unified with their movement as soon as they achieved their objective and increased power....they would go back to looking at us like they do in their homelands and may join allegiance with white folks who look at us in the same way, in order to win favor with white folks. Also, look at the way Hispanics are attacking and threatening black folks in California.
Political alliances have NOTHING to do with natural "love and affection" between groups. It's ALL about power and achieving objectives. African Americans would - no doubt - have to be smart/strategic enough to successfully manage any relationship with Latinos to increase our influence in America.
Of course, it won't be easy. White supremacy never wants its victims to unite, now does it?
P.S. Do these three groups have any natural affinity for each other? Despite that they came together to accomplish an objective. When that objective was over - obviously - they went their separate ways.
I am just not feeling this alliance. I fully understand divide and conquer but I am not for actively fighting and standing with those who voluntarily choose to be exploited. Everything is relative. What we are conditioned to see as exploitation others are conditioned to see as an opportunity. Hence, by fighting against the exploitation of them you are also fighting to deny them the personal choice of pursuing opportunity. Just like many of us make the choice between the two evils of Republican or Democrat, many of these immigrants make the choice between exploitation at home vs. exploitation in the USA. Many pick the lesser of the two evils as they must choose one or the other in order to survive.
For me to support this I would essentially have to support the concept of open borders and free movement of workers into our country from other nations. The essential economic effect of that is that it will drive down the wages of American workers considerably as the laws of supply and demand sets price points for labor as over supplying labor reduces the value of that labor.
The real deal of what is going on is this. The business community in America is seeking cheap wages to increase profit margins. In regards to tradable/exportable goods, the tactics are to offshore jobs to countries with cheap labor. In regards to non tradable services and agricultural labor, the tactic is to use immigrant labor. The people who end up losing out are American workers who would have these jobs IF THEY PAID A DESCENT WAGE. This is NOT work that American won't do....its work that Americans won't do without commiserate pay.
For me there are packages, in the package deal for what Hispanics are rallying for, which I support, however, I don't support the composite. In other words, there are a lot of different individual issues embedded in this current immigration movement and I support some of them but not the package. The problem is that I don't get to itemize and pick and choose. Thus, I have to reject the package deal and alliance.