quote:Originally posted by EbonyRose:
For my position, let me state unequivocally, that I am not in the least bit interested in assigning blame. I couldn't care less whose "fault" it is. And I do mean less. Assigning blame for this problem doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of a solution to it. So you point the finger at a bad guy ... and then what??
If you don't accurately identify the source of your problem, how can you reasonably expect to solve it? This is the crux of the problem. White Supremacy Inc. would have you focus your angst on Mexicans and away from those who get rich on exploiting both. Again, Mexicans have not set wages. Mexicans have not hired anyone. White Supremacy Inc. has. Without clarity on this point, whatever energy you have is misplaced. And that's the point.
What I do care about, though, is that for every ancestor of which I am a descendant, whose same bloodline flows within me that were brought to this country in chains, suffered the indignities of slavery, built this country with their blood, sweat, lives and tears, endured Jim Crow and the denial of the recognition and basic human and civil right of being seen as a full-blooded, fully endowed citizen of this country in which their bones are still buried, I claim that right, now and today, for them and for myself ... and I will continue to want and fight for every entitlement thereof, for myself and for those that are coming behind me. That's #1.
Fighting for our interests is what politics and advocacy is all about. Again, you just have to be able to define your interests broadly enough to include ALL activities that help you. Affirmative action in education won't persoanlly help me. I am no longer in a situation where I could take advantage of that. Nevertheless, I define my interests in a way that sees helping other African Americans with AA as also helping me. As a black man in America, I define my interests in a way that includes the elimination of discrimination to ALL people in this country. Moreover, my interests are served however I can build support to oppose those things that are counter to my achievement, objectives, and interests. Being strategic in creating alliances with groups who share interests helps me because it increases my influence and power in this country. Lastly, misdirecting angst toward groups who are similarly exploited is decidedly NOT in my interests as it strengthens and sustains my oppressor and wastes my precious energy on the wrong party - allowing White Supremacy Inc. to keep its foot on my neck.
quote:As the slices of pie get smaller, who is the first to get less or none?
I guess it depends upon how you slice your pie. If the "have nots" could ever organize and aggregate their power then they would represent the CLEAR and overwhelming majority in this country. Things would change for poor and working class people. WSI would have us continue to think in parochial and myopic ways as opposed to realizing that economic affinity is probably the most fundamental one in America - not racial or ethnic.
quote:As long as I see elderly Black (and poor) citizens who put in their time and their money into building this country stronger going without the basic services of electricity and water and housing and healthcare ... and as long as I see Black (and poor) military veterans being denied basic medical care and services, out in the street homeless after offering their lives to serve this country as citizens, as long as I see Black (and poor) children being forced to learn in substandard schools with out of date books ... and the unemployment rate for Black citizens remains at levels double digits over the national level
Mexicans have nothing to do with this.
quote:Where were these millions of people when Affirmative Action was under attack?
Respectfully, this is the wrong question. Again, where was African America during WW2 and the Jewish fight for Israel? Did the fact that we didn't support them in any meaningful way prevent them from supporting us during the CRM? We've got to think forward and not back.
quote:And for the record, Mr. Greenspan's little declaration may have spoken for funds at the federal level, but the state and local budgets and economies are a whole different checkbook!!
Undocumented workers probably pay an even higher share of local taxes since it comes from sales taxes and property taxes and excise taxes - which are consumption based.
quote:To this point and time, illegal immigration has not benefited me or Black people, in general.
I hope you are not somehow thinking that I have been saying this. If so - then I haven't been writing very clearly.
AFRICAN AMERICA IS BEING EXPLOITED, OPPRESSED AND HARMED VIA THE ILLEGAL HIRING OF UNDOCUMENTED LABOR.
All I've been saying is that the undocumented workers are not our enemy or the ones exploiting us. It is the people who set the wages and make the hiring decisions. If we can understand this, then we can more effectively direct our angst and energy to solve the problem.