quote:Originally posted by EbonyRose:
I believe the biggest problem we are having with this issue, MBM, is that in your determination to prove your point, you seem to absolutely refuse to recognize any others.
Well, I have much to learn from you who is SO open minded and recptive of other views. I can really see how you've grown and evolved on this issue!
quote:I have never once denied that I can plainly see that Big Business exploits Mexican labor. Ray Charles can see that with Stevie Wonder's eyes.
That particular point/statement has nothing to do with 1) Entering this country subverting immigration laws is illegal; 2) Cheap Mexican labor depresses wages; 3) Educating/housing/providing medical care to millions of illegal immigrants strains local and state economies; or 4) on issues important to Black Americans, Hispanics have never reached out and offered a coalition to produce hundreds of thousands of supporters on our behalf.
The first paragraph and the second are wholly inconsistent. One cannot credibly hold both positions, IMHO. If you acknowledge that exploitation occurs, then also talking about "subverting" this and "illegal" that makes little sense. That is language that the very same oppressor/exploiter has disseminated to spin the issue in their favor. Second, I have acknowledged that this problem depresses wages and takes jobs away from Americans. Where we disagree is in assigning blame for that fact. Mexicans did not either depress the wages or take jobs. Employers both set wages and decide who and how they will hire. Undocumented workers have no hand in that decision. As I mentioned in another thread, do you also blame the Indians for outsourcing? Would you have blamed the kids caught up in child labor? Did you blame Africans for slavery? Do you blame prostitutes for prostitution? We have a fundamentally different worldview if you agree with all of those things.
Thrid, I have already presented an article from the head of the Federal Reserve which refutes your claim about undocumtend workers' strain of the tax base. Who is choosing to not see the facts?
Lastly, in terms of the politics of this, some people see this issue as a threat. Others see it as an opportunity. With clear thinking, if one could identify the commonalities of our conditions and our oppressor - then it would seem rather obvious that African Americans and Mexican Americans have FAR more in common than anything that might realistically divide them. African Americans represent about 13% of the national population. Say the Latino commuinty represents about 14 or 15%. Grounded in our commonality, are we stronger together or apart? You do the math!
With regard to previous alliances, who cares what has happened in the past? What does that have to do with the future? What had African America done politically for the Jews/Zionism prior to the CRM?
We can either think parochially or we can think strategically. It's up to us.
quote:Again, this is no doubt falling on deaf ears, because you have no desire to see any point other than the one you are intent on making.
quote:I'll leave the big international group hug singing of Kumbaya to you.
We're not playing checkers here, we're playing chess. You can continue to focus on one piece at a time - one move at a time - while others, like Farrakhan, see the bigger picture of reality and opportunity and proceed accordingly.