What is Egungun

 
February 28, 2006 7:13 PM

What is Egungun
by Babalorisa Adeyemi Efundeji Oyeilumi


We honor and give praise to God, whom is known by man names. We pay tribute to the divine force with us and our presence, for we know that without spirit of trust, belief, tradition, love and patience, our circumstances in this country and the world could be many times worst. Ase!

Ancestor Spirits
The Supreme Being is no stranger to the Yoruba or African. God is incomparable and is established as "The Creator", having no equal, and is not represented by an image. God is also the absolute controller of the universe, using divinities (Orisa) as lesser agents, delegating authority and functions. God also allows the ancestors to act as intermediaries between man, woman and God, and between man, women and the divinities.

The Egungun (ancestors) are the guardians of family morality and they can come down to help or molest, to create adversity or grant happiness.

Origin of Egungun
Egungun is regarded as the collective spirits of ancestors who occupy space in Heaven. Hence, they are called Ara Orun (Dwellers of Heaven). These ancestral spirits are believed to be in constant watch of their survivors on Earth. They bless, protect, warn, and punish their Earth relatives, depending on how their relatives neglect or remember them. Their collective functions cut across lineage and family loyalty. They protect the community against evil spirits, epidemics, feminine, witch-craft, and evil doers, ensuring their well-being. The spirits could be evoked collectively or individually, in time of need. The "place of call" is either on the graves of ancestors (Oju Orori), the family shrine (Ile Run), or the community grove (Igbalele).



The ancestral spirits may be invited to the Earth physically in masquerade, and such masquerades are referred to as Egungun or Ara Orun. The supernatural powers the ancestor have over the community become real as the different Egungun perform their religious, political and social function. Egungun appearances resemble the Yoruba view of life after death. The coming out of Egungun is a time of festivity and entertainment. A time of deep belief in divine guidance and protection also a way of immortalizing one's name.

One of the principle Odu which shows how Egungun was is Oturupon-Meji. Another is Owonrin or Aseyin. A lot has changed with the religion since the first Yoruba slave landed on the western shores from how it was practiced in Nigeria along the side of the Atlantic.

The Egungun
It is believed that everyone has the power and ability to communicate with those who have passed beyond this life. This communication can simply involve remembering a revered ancestor and making use of that memory as a role model for life decisions and through the use of dreams. Because the festivals (places where there are Egungun) are not easily accessible in this country, Orisa worshippers in the west have created several alternatives. Using this alternative approach the first step in the process of honoring the ancestors is the set up of an ancestor shrine for prayer and meditation. There are a number of traditional African ways for building an ancestor altar. If you do not have access to either a Babalosa or a Babalawo, we recommend that the altar be set up with minimal elements. Clean the room or space by smudging (smoke from burning leaves) Ewe, herbs, saying a prayer to the water, light a candle, also placing food, water, fruit, incense, names of ancestor/relative you wish to honor. A offering of food, in small portions on a small, preferably chipped, white plate, should be placed at the altar prior to your family sitting down for a meal. You can also place a cup of coffee or tea, some flowers and cigars. Once you are in communication with your ancestors, they will make specific requests for the kind of offering they want. Once the offering has been made you should thank the ancestors for the blessing that you want. Once the offering has been made you should thank the ancestors for the blessings that you have already received. You may express your thanks in your own words.

Even the trauma of the slave trade and the horrors of the middle passage did not erase the long history and rich lore associated with ancestral devotion, from the African's mind. In Cuba, most if not all, of the public performances of Egungun masquerade had passed out of use by the early 1900's. This was not the case for the Yoruba taken to Brazil. They were able to continue and maintain most of the customs of their homeland. This was due, in part, to Brazil's proximity to West Africa., also to easy movement back and forth of free Yoruba. Today Brazil can boast of the largest Yoruba population. One sees Egungun masqueraders maintaining their Yoruba heritage in much the same way their African counterparts do. This Egungun masquerading is not to be confused with the brand of Brazilian spiritism, developed and propagated by Alan Kardec, the European Spiritist.

Egungun in Oyotunji Lineage
As with all cultures of the world, all wisdom, knowledge and understanding of any given nation or ethnic group has been historically preserved in secret societies. For the Yoruba of Southeast Nigeria, one of the many secret societies is the Egungun Society or Egbe Egungun. It is through this society that the Yoruba preserve and nurture the history of wholesome community and family development and growth and elevate the memory of their ancestors. Through enshrinement celebration and ritual, one such society, Egbe Egungun Jalumi is a secret society of African-Americans dedicated to reclamation and preservation.

This lineage, as a society, was started 25 years ago (c1973), in Oyotunji Village. By 1975, the late Chief Otu Priest, Orisamola Awolowo, was acting in the capacity of the first Alagba of that society. It now includes six alagba. Two other initiated and practicing priest, of Gary, Indiana and Milwaukee, Wisconsin help perform ceremonies. Oyotunji grew and grew, assisting national groups.

In Yoruba religious doctrine, Iku (death) is an Orisa. A creation of Olodumare entrusted with the duty of escorting man and woman from this world to the next. He is known as Ojise Orun (Heaven's Bailiff) In this case, death is likened to a debt, everyone must pay, and Iku is the collector.

It is Iku's ability to transform those we love and cherish, thus hiding them from our mortal view that causes such pain, anguish, bewilderment in society. The descendants in the diaspora have evolved and offer a response to the pain of death. This response is best observed in the workings of the Egbe Egungun. Egungun originated among the Oyo Yoruba, who have adapted and added to the masking traditions honoring the ancestors, found among the Nupe Itapa. The Society is composed of spiritual specialists, who oversee the observance of ancestral devotion and come to the aid and comfort of the community when death strikes.

There is a well known Yoruba expression, "Aye' Loja Orun-Ile – Earth is but a marketplace, Heaven is Home." Earth is often seen as a farm, at the end of the day we return home to count our gain and losses. So too is our sojourn on Earth. Ase


Babalorisa Adeyemi Efundeji Oyeilumi is one of the founding members of Damballah Wedo and Oyotunji Village. He is one of the first African-Americans to be initiated to Orisa. He is a priest of Obatala.

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Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973
 
 
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March 2, 2006 8:13 AM

Alaafia OA

As you know I believe with all my heart that egun worship is key for Africans here and home. I really believe that the destruction of ancestral ties is one of the causes of the dis-ease we see here and home.

I also notice 50 responses to the xtian stiff and few for anything having to do with africa spirituality. Interesting.
 
 
 
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March 2, 2006 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
Alaafia OA

As you know I believe with all my heart that egun worship is key for Africans here and home. I really believe that the destruction of ancestral ties is one of the causes of the dis-ease we see here and home.


Alafia Fagunwa,

I completely agree. It took my a while to come to this conclusion, for a long time I thought there could be a non-spiritual political answer to our collective problems, but I have only known 1 X-tian Panafricanist and he quit because he couldn't deal with us 'heathens'. That says a lot IMO. I think the spiritual spell we are under has to break before we can move forward.

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I also notice 50 responses to the xtian stiff and few for anything having to do with africa spirituality. Interesting.


Very interesting. I thought at first there was a lack of response because people don't really know much about African spirituality, so they didn't really have much to comment on, but what bothers me is the lack of curiosity!
 
 
 
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March 2, 2006 3:25 PM

If I've never said it, thanks, Oshun Auset, for these posts .... I find them very educational ...

I DO read them. I comment on the X-tian oriented threads in the capacity of an anti-missionary Smile
 
 
 
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March 2, 2006 3:47 PM

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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
If I've never said it, thanks, Oshun Auset, for these posts .... I find them very educational ...

I DO read them. I comment on the X-tian oriented threads in the capacity of an anti-missionary Smile


No thanks necessary, anti-missionaries are needed, I act as one all the time. I see that there are always more 'views' than 'posts' but never even as close to as many of either in comparison with the x-tian threads.
 
 
 
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March 6, 2006 6:24 AM

Oschun Auset, this is the BIG mistake they are making in the Orisha religion.

Egungun worship,
I see the problem they are having in the Orisha religion as in other religions. The Egungun cannot give praise to any God but to Olodumare, for I have often said, that God is the white man, and he doesn't have mystic power! If God is the white man, which should be clear by now, as I have formulated my theory with ample examples, then he cannot be a part of the Orisha religion. And, Oshun Auset, Olodumare is NOT a God, he is a first principle. Shango, Obatala, Eshu, Elegba, Ogun, Yemoja, etc, are not Gods, but first principles. This term God can only be applaid to the white race. and we see that GOD DOES NOT HAVE MYSTIC POWER NEITHER DOES THE GODDESS!
 
 
 
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March 6, 2006 6:52 PM

^(SIGH)
 
 
 
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March 6, 2006 7:10 PM

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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
^(SIGH)


Ditto.
 
 
 
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March 6, 2006 9:14 PM

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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
quote:
Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
^(SIGH)


Ditto.


Oh thanks for the very enlightening thread BTW! I've been on a short hiatus for a while and I just got around to reading this thread today. I would certainly say that the concept of "Egungun" is a very important concept in many African religions, and I would even stretch to say many Asian religions and indigenous Mesoamerican religions as well. tfro

Very enlightening! Do you know any more about this form of African spirituality? Cool
 
 
 
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March 6, 2006 9:47 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Destiny:
This term God can only be applaid to the white race. and we see that GOD DOES NOT HAVE MYSTIC POWER NEITHER DOES THE GODDESS!


Dude, don't you realize that the terms "God" and "Goddess" are artifacts of the English language??? What you're saying is nonsensical.
You haven't made a single legitimate ontological distinction and are dealing only in the field of semantics.
 
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March 6, 2006 9:59 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Destiny:
This term God can only be applaid to the white race. and we see that GOD DOES NOT HAVE MYSTIC POWER NEITHER DOES THE GODDESS!

sleep... hmmm... huh?... oh, are we feeding the psychos again? Ok. I'm bored, so I'll feed him for a minute...

Johnny Destiney, define the word "god" for me please. When you done with that, if you're still feeling frisky, define the phrase "mystic power".

That ought to keep him busy for a while... (yawn)... mmm... sleep
 
 
 
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March 6, 2006 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by Black Viking:
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny Destiny:
This term God can only be applaid to the white race. and we see that GOD DOES NOT HAVE MYSTIC POWER NEITHER DOES THE GODDESS!

sleep... hmmm... huh?... oh, are we feeding the psychos again? Ok. I'm bored, so I'll feed him for a minute...

Johnny Destiney, define the word "god" for me please. When you done with that, if you're still feeling frisky, define the phrase "mystic power".

That ought to keep him busy for a while... (yawn)... mmm... sleep



ROFL!!!!
 
 
 
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March 6, 2006 11:56 PM

Hello, fellow philosophers,
Let us use that part of the mind I call perception, and we shall discover the scientific facts.


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Dude, don't you realize that the terms "God" and "Goddess" are artifacts of the English language??? What you're saying is nonsensical.
You haven't made a single legitimate ontological distinction and are dealing only in the field of semantics.
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Let us stick with Europe since it was the Europeans who enslaved Shango! The Portuguese got there first, and wasn't the Portuguese worshipping God, and we see that the Portuguese were white men! Next, the French came and aren't the French worshipping God? The French are incidentally white men! The English came and aren't the English worhsipping God, the English are white men, Thus the white race has the first principle of God, who ain't got no mystic power for he's the white man. Then, if God doesn't have mystic power then neither does the Goddess, the white woman! Since this universe was made by a Black man how could the white man say he made it?
Consequently, if you read my post carefully you will see that it is not semantics at all but metaphysics, the science of first principles.


I would like to here make a very important point. I am never sickened to nauseating degree after degree to read on this board about the STOLEN LEGACY of Egypt by the Greeks. And when a BlACK PHILOSOPHER presents an original metaphysics he is looked upon as deluded by the same people who clamor in an universal shot about the greatness of Egypt which incidentally was NOT a black civilization! A metaphysics that is as powerful as anything the Egyptians or the Greeks EVER CAME UP WITH has been presented! Why are you all like that, running scared? Because you all are not thinking!

HonestBrother:
How about a little test in metaphysics for you to prove the thesis of my argument. Go up to a white person and call him God! And discover the facts for yourself. If you are intimidated by the God go up to the Goddess, the white woman, and call her a Goddess. But be careful now for the Goddess worships the Black man right art gurl? Better yet skip the Goddess do it to the God and see what happens--a little test in metaphysics--then come back and tell us about it.


And, I might point out I am a metaphysician, a thinker, a philosopher and ontology is the branch of metaphysics that deals with being and reality. It is reality that they are Gods and Goddesses who ain't got no mystic power, because the two States, the finite State and the infinite State are one being Shango, the Black man. And, they obviously exists!

I have discourse at length about this in so elemental a way that a baby could understand it. And, I think what is preventing you from understanding it is your motive of fear! Conquer that fear and you will never walk trembling of Gods and Goddesses who ain't got no mystic power, again.

Again, Shango has the mystical power because Olodumare is the first cause. And, all are equal in the finite State.

Black Viking:
I shall define the word God. God is a term or word coined by European metaphysicians to explain the origin of the cosmos and has since become to be identified with Europe, that land of Gods and Goddesses. And, since the Black man made the cosmos ALL those metaphysicians were wrong! This universe wasn't made by any God, but by Olodumare through the will of immortal Shango, the Black man, who has the mystical power it exists, it is in the mystical instate! as I proved.

The Black man has been a slave since the beginning because He's the best worker.

He fights with his bare hands or rude implements because He's the best fighter.

He has the huge pecker because He's the best lover!

He's last in everything because He's the Master and it is impossible that the Master should go first!

What is this term mystic power that God, white men claim they have? And how have they been able to get away with it thus far? By pointing up to the sky! Call a white man a God and his hand will shot up to the sky real quick! Well, there is no mystic power in the infinite State Olodumare for any other race but the Black man. Since it is only the Black man who has an instate, just as it is him alone who has this woolly hair. The mystical power that Shango wields is in the finite State, right here on Earth. If you are Black, Black Viking, you HAVE mystical power. It exists, it is in the mystical instate, as I proved by my deconstruction of Aristotle's categories!

So, again, all are equal. There is the infinite State thinking which exists, and there is the finite State no thinking, but wherein the mystical power is stored. So, there is the balance between the two States.

Why will they get the ROUGH CHASTISEMENT? Because they are Gods and Goddesses, who ain't got no mystic power, and they are equal to everybody else. There was only an infinite State when ALL are equal in the finite State. That is why it is written in the constitution of the Enlgihtened states, that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL! God or Goddess, who ain't got no mystic power are not above anyone else. Certainly not above Allah, Shango, the Tao, Shinto, the Great Spirit, the Sikh, Brahman, Pele, Yahweh, Quetzalcoatl, or any other first principle!
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 1:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Johnny Destiny:
The Black man has been a slave since the beginning because He's the best worker.

He fights with his bare hands or rude implements because He's the best fighter.

He has the huge pecker because He's the best lover!

He's last in everything because He's the Master and it is impossible that the Master should go first!


Oh, MY GOD! (no pun intended) Eek

Please don't tell me 'dis motherf*cker just said that! protest

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. I definitely suspect that this is a White guy now.
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 7:44 AM

Empty Purnata,
These ad hominem responses will simply not do! What's the matter, you don't like being the Master, but am content with being a slave? Buy the Book, The Philosophy of Olodumare and Shango read it, and then we'll discuss it some more!

And, incidently, I am as BLACK as the ace of spades! I am a Black philosopher!
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 8:19 AM

Everybody knows that the black man is Chukwu, who created the visible universe (uwa). The white man is Agbara.
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 8:34 AM

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HonestBrother:
How about a little test in metaphysics for you to prove the thesis of my argument. Go up to a white person and call him God! And discover the facts for yourself. If you are intimidated by the God go up to the Goddess, the white woman, and call her a Goddess. But be careful now for the Goddess worships the Black man right art gurl? Better yet skip the Goddess do it to the God and see what happens--a little test in metaphysics--then come back and tell us about it.


Nigga, is you crazy?????????

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And, I think what is preventing you from understanding it is your motive of fear! Conquer that fear and you will never walk trembling of Gods and Goddesses who ain't got no mystic power, again.


Johnny, maybe you just told on your damned self... I have no fear whatsoever before the white man. Perhaps it's your fear of this "God" that motivates you to regard him as "God" to begin with. And then to overcome that fear you then need to discover an even greater reality concerning the black man - Shango??
 
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March 7, 2006 8:42 AM

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Originally posted by Johnny Destiny:
Black Viking:
I shall define the word God. God is a term or word coined by European metaphysicians to explain the origin of the cosmos and has since become to be identified with Europe, that land of Gods and Goddesses. And, since the Black man made the cosmos ALL those metaphysicians were wrong! This universe wasn't made by any God, but by Olodumare through the will of immortal Shango, the Black man, who has the mystical power it exists, it is in the mystical instate! as I proved.


Greek: Theos

Latin: Deus

German: Gott

French: Dieu

Italian: Dio


Then how do you deal with the fact that Sanskrit is an Indo-European language and so has the related word

devi ?

A problem for you since India is in Asia....
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
Perhaps it's your fear of this "God" that motivates you to regard him as "God" to begin with.

Then again, maybe it's his fear of this "God" that has turned him into a complete and total lunatic... Big Grin
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 11:21 AM

Yes, Oshun!

the people of Yoruba "are" on a metaphysical level that would scare most Christians.

Thanks for the post!
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 2:50 PM

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HonestBrother:
Then how do you deal with the fact that Sanskrit is an Indo-European language and so has the related word

devi ?

A problem for you since India is in Asia....
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It is not any problem at all. Have you ever studied the different colors of the Hindu? The darker skinned ones are despised by the lighter skinned ones! This is so because,

These lighter skinned ones are from the Armies of Alexander that invaded India, and since the Macedonians believed in Gods and Goddesses, this kind of thinking, with the spread of Greek culture got intertwined with the religion of the Hindu.

Notice in Bollywood movies it is always the lightskinned Hindu who has the best part! And, now their first principles are supposed to be Gods and Goddessses, white men and white women! Absurd.

Why don't you buy the book HonestBrother read it and then we can have a deep discussion!

The Philosophy of Olodumare and Shango

Quote: HonestBrother:
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Perhaps it's your fear of this "God" that motivates you to regard him as "God" to begin with.
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I have called white men Gods to their faces so whatever fear I had has been expitiated. You, in your own words, wouldn't dare do it so you are filled with fear! Would you like to know what they do when I call them God? They point up to the sky! Well, there is no mystic power up there, the mystical power is in the finite State and Shango has it, since he created the universe!

Again, it is the metaphysical structure of the European, He is a God and He ain't got no mystic power! This universe wasn't created by any God but by Olodumare through the will of immortal Shango, the Black man. Thus the natural structure of this universe is a Black man made it!
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 3:23 PM

Johnny, if you're subconsciously intimidated by White people, just say so. You're projecting your own fears and Inferiority Complex onto the entire Black race.

In no way, shape or form is the White Man a "God" to me. He is no less mortal than I. If I punch a White person, he'll bleed just like me. If I throttle his neck, he'll die. It has nothing to do with him being a "God" and me being some kind of Super-God called "Shango".

Perhaps you should see a psychiatrist (A BLACK ONE) and have them examine you. An examination of your feelings of inadequecy/inferiority towards the White race might explain why you feel the need to overcompensate by applying a God/Messiah Complex to the Black race. I think you've been watching too much Baywatch, too many Miss USA pageants with White contestants, and read "Mein Kampf" too many times.
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 3:25 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Destiny:
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HonestBrother:
Then how do you deal with the fact that Sanskrit is an Indo-European language and so has the related word

devi ?

A problem for you since India is in Asia....
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It is not any problem at all. Have you ever studied the different colors of the Hindu? The darker skinned ones are despised by the lighter skinned ones! This is so because,

These lighter skinned ones are from the Armies of Alexander that invaded India, and since the Macedonians believed in Gods and Goddesses, this kind of thinking, with the spread of Greek culture got intertwined with the religion of the Hindu.



This is NOT any kind of 'solution' at all. The development of the Hindu religion and the Sanskritic language in particular predate Alexander by 2000-3000 years! Thousands - not hundreds - of years.

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Why don't you buy the book HonestBrother read it and then we can have a deep discussion!


Why can't you make sense now? I have better things to do with my money than spend it on more of the same.


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Perhaps it's your fear of this "God" that motivates you to regard him as "God" to begin with.
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I have called white men Gods to their faces so whatever fear I had has been expitiated. You, in your own words, wouldn't dare do it so you are filled with fear!


So you confess having done so with fear? ... I have NO fear to expiate and I will not do something so silly because I have self-respect.
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 3:29 PM

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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
Perhaps you should see a psychiatrist (A BLACK ONE) and have them examine you. An examination of your feelings of inadequecy/inferiority towards the White race might explain why you feel the need to overcompensate by applying a God/Messiah Complex to the Black race. I think you've been watching too much Baywatch, too many Miss USA pageants with White contestants, and read "Mein Kampf" too many times.


lol laugh lol laugh lol
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 5:54 PM

Empty Potato,
Instead of having serious discussion all you do is utter ad hominem reposts. That, my friend, is the last resort of the unthinking. But, I know you are being controlled, albeit without your knowledge, by the white man, so I'll say no more.


I don't want to hijack this thread, so, go back to the Philosophy of Olodumare and Shango, and read over everything I have written, you will be convinced, it not assurred that I am absolutely right!

But, enough, I know I cannot win over the entire black race to my philosophy, especially those who are not thinking. So, with contrite heart, I shall return to the Philosophy of Olodumare and Shango thread.

I consider myself to be in the company of the great philosophers of the world.

Socrates died for philosophy.

The Buddha had narrow escapes.

Cowardly Spinoza didn't dare publish until he perished.

Karl Marx was chased all over Europe.

My own philosophy is being mangled by cowardice.

I consider myself to be in excellent company!
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 5:59 PM

I'm not debating with you seriously because thus far you have said nothing that deserves serious contemplation. All you are doing is throwing out non-sequiters, hyperbole, insane conspiracy theories, paranoid delusions, and strange tin-foil hat philosophical postulations.
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 8:20 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Destiny:

Let us stick with Europe since it was the Europeans who enslaved Shango! The Portuguese got there first, and wasn't the Portuguese worshipping God, and we see that the Portuguese were white men!


Actually the Hyksos invaded Africa first and then the Persians, Greeks, Romans, Marmalouks, Arabs, and Then the Portuguese.

I think you have issues because your God is a White man. I hate when you use terms like "always slaves" ect. IMO that makes you a servant of the enemy. Only our enemy wants us to think that how things are now is how they have always been.

Since you want to have intellectual discussion so badley why are you incapable of talking about anything outside of 'your' so-called philosophy?

Wait, forget I posted this, I don't really want a response.
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 8:22 PM

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Originally posted by kresge:
Everybody knows that the black man is Chukwu, who created the visible universe (uwa). The white man is Agbara.


OK you Igbo you...lol
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Destiny:


I consider myself to be in the company of the great philosophers of the world.

Socrates died for philosophy.

The Buddha had narrow escapes.

Cowardly Spinoza didn't dare publish until he perished.

Karl Marx was chased all over Europe.

My own philosophy is being mangled by cowardice.

I consider myself to be in excellent company!


Mr. Destiny, the difference between philosophers, like the guys you mention, and poor deluded brothers like you, is that they were actually persecuted (those who were). You're not being persecuted; you're being ridiculed. The reason they were persecuted is because their philosophies made enough sense to be a threat to those who wanted them silenced. The reason you will NEVER be persecuted is because these nutjob ideas of yours, which are not philosophies, are mindless ravings that make no sense and that will never be taken seriously by anyone.
 
 
 
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March 7, 2006 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by Johnny Destiny:


I consider myself to be in the company of the great philosophers of the world.

Socrates died for philosophy.

The Buddha had narrow escapes.

Cowardly Spinoza didn't dare publish until he perished.

Karl Marx was chased all over Europe.

My own philosophy is being mangled by cowardice.

I consider myself to be in excellent company!


Mr. Destiny, the difference between philosophers, like the guys you mention, and poor deluded brothers like you, is that they were actually persecuted (those who were). You're not being persecuted; you're being ridiculed. The reason they were persecuted is because their philosophies made enough sense to be a threat to those who wanted them silenced. The reason you will NEVER be persecuted is because these nutjob ideas of yours, which are not philosophies, are mindless ravings that make no sense and that will never be taken seriously by anyone.


thanks yeah
 
 
 
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March 8, 2006 1:24 AM

Oshun Auset,
This Universe wasn't Made by any God, white man, who ain't got no mystic power, but by Olodumare through the will of immortal Shango the Black Man! Don't you think that is occassion for rejoicing. Yes, The Black Man has been a slave since the beginning BECAUSE HE'S THE BEST WORKER! What is wrong with that!
The Master usually doesn't get the easiest work but the most difficult, and since the Black man is the Master, He has had it the hardest! That is only fair! But look how much the Master has! He's immortal and can never die! He has mystical power! He has the huge pecker! And, now He's thinking! So, He simply cannot be stopped.

Vox:
I see how it goes. If I were to share with you my private emails of people who think my philosophy is brilliant you'll be surprised. But enough. I do not want to boast!

Here a Black philosopher has presented an original philosophy to Blacks thinkers, who are always clamoring that they have great thinkers, and when presented with an original philosophy, and look how they are shaking in their boots of these Gods! And do not think that I haven't noticed that My thread Is The Most Viewed On This Board!

But I'm not going to chastise you all for your cowardice of these Gods you are my allies, my friends, my brothers. And, to be honest the people who control Black Viking and the like and are forcing him to think thus, these Gods, who ain't got no mystic power, are in the minority. I know that the majority of Blacks on this Board are happy that I have presented an original Philosophy.

The Philosophy of Olodumare and Shango!

What you all thought it would be easy to conquer the white man! He's a God, and He ain't got no mystic power! Shango is a first principle, a philosopher, a metaphysician, a thinker, and He has mystical power. So Shango wins out over God every day!

And, I'll say this. You can ONLY defeat the white man by fighting him as who He is--a God, who ain't got no mystic power! That is how you defeat him. He cannot be defeated any other way. But if you battle him as a God who ain't got no mystic power, he necessarily succumbs!
 
 
 
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March 8, 2006 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Johnny Destiny:

And do not think that I haven't noticed that My thread Is The Most Viewed On This Board!


Not unlike the car wreck by the side of the highway which is the most viewed sight on the road....
 
 
 
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March 11, 2006 5:28 PM

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I also notice 50 responses to the xtian stiff and few for anything having to do with africa spirituality. Interesting.


Very interesting. I thought at first there was a lack of response because people don't really know much about African spirituality, so they didn't really have much to comment on, but what bothers me is the lack of curiosity!

Have patience with us. We were born into a judeo christian society. That is our frame of reference. We do what we can, with what we have.
 
 
 
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March 14, 2006 9:50 PM

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Have patience with us. We were born into a judeo christian society. That is our frame of reference. We do what we can, with what we have.


No excuses, I was born into the same society. I have been working since a teenager to stop it from being my frame of reference. It bothers me to see more of "us" not putting in the same work...and I'm not just talking about this forum. We actually put in a whole lot of work to keep the oppressors frame of reference. That is what scares me.

I love our people, so I have patience galore.(One has to) But when I see a MAJOR contradiction, I am going to point it out, out of that same love for our people.
 
 
 
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