Should Black People Go Back To Africa?

  Answering the question.  Should black people go back to Africa?  Hell nawl.  If we go, every mofos should be RIGHT behind us.  Why should we leave after we've built the greatest nation in the world?  And go back to what?  The devastation massa left behind?  Not gonna talk about how Europeans have turned African males against the women who "are" the legacy of black culture...you know their ride here....  Why would anyone in their right mind go back.  Most of the African countries are war-torn by the wrath of massa's colonization...including socially war-torn by Islamic nations that converted the way Africans lived and believe.  Let's not go whimsically thinking that we can all go tip toeing back to Africa through its meadows and fields and find homage.  Not!  It won't work.  There is already resistance and disrespect toward African Americans based on what some Africans were told to believe.  Asian, Arabic and European cultures have DESTROYED and stolen the riches and knowledge of Africa and  have claimed them as their "rightful" own.  The conquer of the world don't get it-cuz he believes his own lies.

We have to accept the fact that Africa is barren, stripped from all its natural and ethereal resources.  There's nothing there.....to build on.  Plus it will take hundreds of years to restore the mutual respect and regard between African males and females.  Right now?  Newborn females are either tossed in the manure of waste or circumcised or sold for the highest bidder.....males are taken from their families and trained as boy soldiers to continue the pattern of destroying their own villages...and killing their own people....just like the gangs here in the hood.  Why go to Africa when the same is already happening here?  I say fix  where YOU are first.  I say Black men FIGHT for your culture and stop acting like a coon eunuch.  Stop placing everything wrong in the world on black women-which is constantly viewed in rap/r&b videos because you have that "I gotta protect a white whore gene."   

Lets CHANGE how we feel about each other as black people through our [good]BEHAVIOR toward each other....right here...first.  And foremost, let it be OUR goal as African people removed a few generation....to FIND OUT THE REAL TRUTH about "slavery" and stop eating every focking  words of lies about we are  from massa.  Let's start THINKING for ourselves and remove our legs from around that black book that tells us we are merely the white man's slaves.  Let's not keep stroking on it....cuz all that's happening in the interim?  Is the public KILLING of our people.  So.  Put that black book DOWN and pick the book of  our TRUTH i.e. in world history.  Then?  We won't have to decide if we should go back to Africa but will be CONFIDIENT that we can move FORWARD in progress.....wherever we are!  But!

He touched on one of my pet peeves, which is how Black people in America [and the rest of the world], (at least too many) act like "White people" are the be-all and end-all measuring stick.

African Americans should live in America as if White people do not exist. Beyond where interaction has to occur, or occurs because of friendships, work relationships, etc., "White people" should be irrelevant to ANYTHING a Black person, does, thinks, accomplishes, invents, creates, or rejects, and especially should be irrelevant to what African Americans deem as their culture, class, success, beliefs, and/or opinions.

On the question of "Should African Americans 'go back' to Africa"?

First of all, it should be, "Should African Americans go to Africa"?

[Also, we can't forget that Black people were here long before ANY White man ever even knew this continent or the South American continent existed and were already here when the first White man set foot on any North or South American soil].  

I personally agree with Dr. Boyce Watkins' answer to that question, in that he basically states that there's 'nothing wrong with going to Africa either to visit or to stay', but 'Africa is not the only place African Americans could go on this planet'.  

I would further add, however, that when it comes to going to Africa on a permanent basis, African Americans should also weigh the realities of the fact that Africa is still colonized, and is still being controlled and influenced, and oppressed by the same people/nations that have colonized, oppressed, negatively influenced and controlled Africa in the past.  

In other words, minus the racism, (which could be replaced by cultural and/or nationalistic bigotry) the same people that run and control America are doing the same thing throughout the African continent.  

You see that Africans now come to America with preconceived notions about African Americans that have been shaped by America's/the West's RACIST PROPAGANDA MACHINE, and that have been coached and conditioned in them before they even get here, to either see African Americans through the racially polarized lense of racist American/Western propaganda or who have been literally told by non-Black Americans/religious or immigration "authorities" to NOT associate with African Americans.  

[Africans that will do the racist White agitator's bidding here where we are concerned, will likely also do it in Africa].

African "leaders" have allowed a racist nation like the United States free reign to come into Africa and literally surround ALL of Blackest Africa with military 'bases' and installations.

Most educated Africans, not unlike, most educated African Americans and diaspora Blacks worldwide, in their burning desire to idolize and be like "White people",(and at any cost)have abandoned their own cultures, heritages, religions, communities and race in exchange for (FALSE) 'acceptance' from Whites, not to mention facilitated the plunder of Africa's natural resources (therefore, Africa's wealth) to the benefit and wealth of their oppressors and/or other nations.

With all of that as the true reality of Africa, other than the blatant racism in America, which could easily be replaced by cultural prejudices in Africa, what's the difference between African Americans being in America or being in Africa?

  Exactly my sista.  There's really no difference....cuz racism and hating blacks for culture/religion/status are all have the same ramifications.  I am insulted by the mere fact or suggestion that "African Americans should go BACK to Africa."  Massa says that all the time like he has a RIGHT to be here than us.  It's laughable.  For me the bottom line is.  African Americans shouldn''t go anywhere if they don't want to.  Everybody.....every immigrant that has come to this country...owe tribute to African Americans....including the world  has  BENEFITTED from African Americans.  It's like after we cleaned the house....they wanna us to leave.  But as you said we've known about the Americas when half of the world was suffering from the bubonic plague.  So....the Americas including America is just as much OUR HOME than any other group....including Amerindians.  But!

Prior to period of Africa’s great Empires there is no history of black Africans by the millions residing in South America, Central America the Caribbean, United States or Europe. Only after the Atlantic slave trade did this occur. So Africa had already purged the continent of millions of Negroes once. When in the eighteenth century American Negroes embarked on the experiment to return to Africa (Liberia) they were not welcomed with open arms.   The various African communities currently seen in the United States, e.g. the Ethiopians, Nigerians, Somalia, Ghanaians etc are here for a reason, to live a better life than what they had in their African homeland. They are not here to join with African Americans and our ongoing and continuous battle with racism. So if African Americans migrated to Africa it would be for the same reasons Africans migrate to America, for a better a life. The question should be is a better life for African Americans achievable in Africa? Lets begin with a review of the facts about black nations, heads of State and black life in Africa. Extreme poverty is defined as living on $1.25 or less a day. In 2010, 414 million people were living in extreme poverty across Sub-Saharan Africa. According to the World Bank, those living on $1.25-a-day accounted for 48.5 percent of the population in that region in 2010. Moreover, not since post colonialism (the last being South Africa) has there been a white president in any Sub-Sahara African State. Beginning with Liberia the so-called homeland of for American Negroes, what follows is a brief snapshot of some African States prevailing poverty levels where the heads of government are black:

 

President of Liberia

Ellen Johnson Sirleaf A black women

Liberia is one of the poorest countries in Africa with a population of 4 million, per-capita income of US $410, and about 60 percent of the population below the poverty line. More than half of the population is urban, including in densely populated areas around the capital city of Monrovia.

Angola

Jose E. DOS SANTOS President since 10 Sept; 1979 A black man

Poverty rate

Angola is one of the poorest countries in the world despite the fact that it is one of Africa's major oil producers. The country gained independence from Portugal in 1975 and since then it has been cruelly ravaged by civil war for 27 years. The war is the main reason why Angola has one of the highest rates of poverty in the world. 68 percent of the population was below the poverty line and 15 percent in severe poverty in 2001

Benin

Yayi Boni. (President and head of government) a Black man

Poverty        

Benin is a small country in West Africa with a population of roughly 10 million people. Once the site of Dahomey, a West African kingdom that thrived because of its involvement in the slave trade, Benin has been stricken by widespread poverty since gaining independence from France in 1960. Though Benin has a relatively stable democratic government, it remains one of the poorest countries in Africa. Listed below are ten facts about poverty in Benin.

Botswana

Seretse Khama Ian Khama (President since 1st April 2008) a black man

Poverty

In contrast to Botswana’s impressive economic growth, good governance and prudent macroeconomic and fiscal management, the country faces high levels of poverty and inequality as well as low human development indicators. While poverty rates declined from 50% at independence to just over 19% today, significant pockets of poverty remain, especially in rural areas.

Nigeria

Head of State Muhammadu Buhari a black man

Poverty has risen in Nigeria, with almost 100 million people living on less than a $1 (£0.63) a day, despite economic growth. The National Bureau of Statistics said 60.9% of Nigerians in 2010 were living in "absolute poverty" - this figure had risen from 54.7% in 2004.Feb 13, 2012

South Africa

President Jacob Zuma a blackman

12 million live in extreme poverty.  Nearly the population of African Americans.

 Even in relatively modern states e.g., Nigeria and South Africa despite Nigeria’s OPEC oil wealth and South Africa’s mineral, mining and gold wealth both countries are currently experiencing extreme poverty.  That said, , it is not even necessary to discuss extreme poverty in places Burkina Faso and Burundi. Why is this important? When these Sub-Saharan African states won their independence from their European colonizers much of Africa’s natural resources once entirely owned by the Europeans became the property of the new independent states.   Although it true that Europe continues to have major fiduciary interest in Africa’s natural resources, what is paramount however is that the wealth from these resources is now shared with black heads of government.   It is also noteworthy to mention that many if not all of the heads of state in Sub-Saharan Africa are very rich while their countries compatriots live in extreme poverty. 

What is my point? As I have already noted in 2016 nearly 50% of Sub-Saharan Africans live in extreme poverty. Even the poorest of African Americans among us with few or no particular work skills has a quality of life far better than those Africans trapped in slums!   Why in hell would African Americans want to migrate to Africa? And although blacks in America and Africa both live under governments where legal justice is an issue it is negligible for blacks in America and naught for slum dwelling blacks in Africa. African heads of State continue to live large off the toil of the workers and wealth of their natural resources while their citizens survive in the worst abject poverty of 2017. Our forefathers and mothers fought and died for America just as the whites did.   Racism in America is unquestionably a permanent feature of American life; I see no logical reason to return to Africa and exchange racism for tribalism and extreme poverty.

  Great point my brotha!  Which is another thing I guess I was attempting to say but wasn't clear.  Our cultures are different period.  We are westernized.  And the myth about us and the social structure in which a lot of African countries live by is completely different from what we are used to.  And you're right.....there is a reason WHY so many Africans from various Africans nations come to America.  It's not the other way around.  And as far as the Americas....I also agree.  I don't think that there were millions of Africans like it was during the slave trade that migrated to those places.  Although I do believe that Egyptians travelled around the world including to the Americas for trade and knowledge.  I really believe that they had a relationship with other cultures now extinct.  But massa ain't gon tell us nothing about that.  We have to find more information about our brilliance prior to the Atlantic Slave Trade on our own.  It takes extensive research and a very good eye.  For me?  I don't BELIEVE a damn thang massa says.   He lies the minute he opens his mouth especially about world history and especially about OUR HISTORY.  So it's up to us to seek our truth....it's the only way we gon find out what really happened when massa was trapped in his open cave.  But! 

" . . . Africa had already purged the continent of millions of Negroes once."

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Africa didn't "purge" itself of millions of Africans, African had millions of African murdered and kidnapped into enslavement, forcibly removed from Africa to damn near every European country in Europe, to South America, to Caribbean Islands, to North America, and into Islamic nations, and some into India, i.e., nearly all over this world.  

I mean, it should be phrased like Africans had any choice in the matter.

On the question of how African Americans would do in Africa, there are plenty of African Americans already in many parts of Africa that are doing quite well and really loving being there.  

I think what it really boils down to is if you are not 'doing well' [economically] here in America, you many not do well in Africa, but if you have prepared yourself academically, skill/experience wise, you will do well in Africa, provided you settle in a thriving African country that has the jobs and means to support your particular profession, etc.

You can think of it this way, when it comes to poverty, I'm sure that a couple year's salary saved will take you a long way if you are willing or desire to live a modest life outside any of Africa's major cities.  

But, before African Americans in millions decide to go the Africa, we would have to decide where in Africa, and only after taking the time, money, and diplomacy to establish our own means of production, schools, hospitals, farms and security [in that we couldn't go in such numbers to only wind up being a burden on any of Africa's frail economies/without creating our own socio-economic independence].  

Enough of this. Let's go back because we forgot. Going back inside. Going there when we danced in lively connected community, natural ritual. Going back when our hearts and souls and spirits were nurtured. Going back to party, Going back to know again that dignity and seeing from there - this dead wasteland. Going back to deal with this. Going back no matter what to the great tree and the mother fountain of life.  That’s Africa moving to the rhythm of creation.  I want its essence. I want to pack that with me going here and traveling there - a living part of me, clean, and whole. Gone there.  Remembering that like my life depends on it. 

Should all go back to the motherland? Strategically, no.  However, a substantial amount of afrikans in america going back, provided with a sound social, political, and economic agenda that can mutually beneficial to afrikans on the continent and those in the diaspora, america specifically, may go a long way toward improving our position in the world.

If I was a young Black person with skills I would strongly consider moving to another country. I do think there are great opportunities in Africa but it really depends on the country and the means you will make a life. Why not just consider the possibilities of the whole world. Hell, younger white people are leaving the US in droves. 

Considering the poor political aptitude of African Americans I don't think things will get much better for African Americans in the US anytime soon. Blacks lost half of their wealth during the Obama terms, oligarchy is the government of the US and they will never let go. Look, you fools voted for more oligarchy, Hillary in the primary, that says it all. I see very little criticism coming from Blacks regarding the Democratic Party which is very puzzling to me. 

1 in 3 Black males will go to the pen in the US. We have a culture of self destruction promoted by Hip Hop and Black reality TV.  75% of Black males can't read grade level in California public schools. Because African Americans and those with less education are among the most systemically disadvantaged social groups, they are less able to accumulate wealth and thus less likely to marry which is very important in building a stable community. 1 in 4 Americans can't come up with $2000 in case of an emergency, 102 million working age Americans do not have a job. More than half of working Americans make less than 30k a year. So where does that place Blacks?  

 I think African Americans have a lot of learning before things actually gets better as a community. 

And what is so sad we could actually make things better for ourselves but there are just too many confused Black people mainly from Black baby boomers, who voted for Hillary, were the original crack heads and spread the poison of Hip Hop and gagsta rap to our young people. Think about it, Tupac and Biggie are heroes in the Black community, that is pathetic and basically replaced MLK and Malcolm X in the minds of young Blacks who barely know their history. 

For Blacks that actually have skills, why stay and suffer and why African Americans must immigrate to Africa while it has a host of serious problems, why suffer somewhere else? If I was a young educated Black man or woman I would consider the whole world not just Africa, you have one life, go or stay where you can make the best of it including the US, you can still have a great life here if you don't fall for the numerous pitfalls in our culture. 

 

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If I was a young Black person with skills I would strongly consider moving to another country. I do think there are great opportunities in Africa but it really depends on the country and the means you will make a life. Why not just consider the possibilities of the whole world. Hell, younger white people are leaving the US in droves. 

Considering the poor political aptitude of African Americans I don't think things will get much better for African Americans in the US anytime soon. Blacks lost half of their wealth during the Obama terms, oligarchy is the government of the US and they will never let go. Look, you fools voted for more oligarchy, Hillary in the primary, that says it all. I see very little criticism coming from Blacks regarding the Democratic Party which is very puzzling to me. 

1 in 3 Black males will go to the pen in the US. We have a culture of self destruction promoted by Hip Hop and Black reality TV.  75% of Black males can't read grade level in California public schools. Because African Americans and those with less education are among the most systemically disadvantaged social groups, they are less able to accumulate wealth and thus less likely to marry which is very important in building a stable community. 1 in 4 Americans can't come up with $2000 in case of an emergency, 102 million working age Americans do not have a job. More than half of working Americans make less than 30k a year. So where does that place Blacks?  

 I think African Americans have a lot of learning before things actually gets better as a community. 

And what is so sad we could actually make things better for ourselves but there are just too many confused Black people mainly from Black baby boomers, who voted for Hillary, were the original crack heads and spread the poison of Hip Hop and gagsta rap to our young people. Think about it, Tupac and Biggie are heroes in the Black community, that is pathetic and basically replaced MLK and Malcolm X in the minds of young Blacks who barely know their history. 

For Blacks that actually have skills, why stay and suffer and why African Americans must immigrate to Africa while it has a host of serious problems, why suffer somewhere else? If I was a young educated Black man or woman I would consider the whole world not just Africa, you have one life, go or stay where you can make the best of it including the US, you can still have a great life here if you don't fall for the numerous pitfalls in our culture. 

 Tupac does not replace MLK and Malcolm X. It's not one or the other.
 

Tupac Shakur - Words From A Prophet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shDa7K8tg8M

Do people here like Trump???  I only voted for Hillary C because of Trump.  Trump is very, very, very bad news for us.  Why do we focus on her? Black people need to understand this.  The election is over. Chew on this. The difference is very big.  Dayum.

 

When Kim Jong Un cooks up the Americans, we're all going to wish we moved some fuckin' where. All our corpses will be glowing in the dark after waiting for the age spotted Caucasoids to save us and the world. What happened in Japan during WWII's going to look like child's play in comparison. No one will be able to move anywhere, dead!!!! I am "white peopled" out!!!!!

Brotha DK wrote:  Enough of this. Let's go back because we forgot. Going back inside. Going there when we danced in lively connected community, natural ritual. Going back when our hearts and souls and spirits were nurtured. Going back to party, Going back to know again that dignity and seeing from there - this dead wasteland. Going back to deal with this. Going back no matter what to the great tree and the mother fountain of life.  That’s Africa moving to the rhythm of creation.  I want its essence. I want to pack that with me going here and traveling there - a living part of me, clean, and whole. Gone there.  Remembering that like my life depends on it. 

 

 I hear ya my brotha.  But for me?  As a woman?  A lotta places in Africa have to CHANGE their views on how women and girls are perceived.  And as long as FGM continues to be the enemy to Africa as a whole?  I think I'll pass on going back there. There are just too many social no nos that the culture have to eradicate for there can be REAL unity.  Women and girls should have to worry about men's control over THEIR private parts.  Period.  That is a dangerous form of SLAVERY.  We have to DESTROY that mindset in order for Africa to be a HEALTHY continent and  in order for many from America[including women/girls]  to "return" home.  Otherwise what are we REALLY returning to?    Cuz let's be clear...there's a lotta places in Africa that DON'T know their history and have adopted "massa's" spin what is appropriate "living"...especially have adopted [in the 8th and 9th Century A.D.] Euro/Asian paganism and witchcraft into African culture.  So.  I can't get my mind off of Shaka Zulu and how he was bamboozled.  He's an example of how it can happen....and have in many African countries throughout the continent.  And it's just hard to break old habits of thinking.  So for me?  There has to be safe places for women/girls to soar.  There has to be places where they will be PROTECTED.   I don't know if such a place in Africa exist yet.  You?  So yes there are half of black culture willing to do the work as it was done successfully here in America......however there  is a HIGH risk that Africa could be even worse for African American women/girls.  So.  To be effective...we must understand that we can't all go back collectively unless ALL women are treated EQUALLY by Africa.  And because we aren't....it's probably the REAL reason why Africa have suffered [for a few thousands years] and continues to suffer.  BTW:  To even assume that we as black people can go back to Africa without duality/equality [among men and women alike] is truly a WHIMISCAL pattern of thinking.    But!

 

  Also want to say....even with countries like Liberia....where the country is THIRSTY for African American brilliance....it too is troubled by corruption which is obivious but has IGNORED the wrath of "FGM.''  Although the practice is banned in other west African countries like Nigeria and The Gambia,  Liberia is yet to follow suit.  And with the president being a woman....one would think this practice would have long gone been eradicated.  But like many other African countries, Liberia is still licking its wounds from two civil wars and Ebola ...so the priority hasn't manifested into the rights of women/girls yet.  So returning there?  When so much WORK is needed to rebuild?  Is female gender genocide.  So the question remains....where is it in Africa safe for African American women/girls to return?But!   

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